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From The Critics
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RE: "Who Is Jose Padilla?"
In Maria Tomchick's article, she makes statements that engender doubt about
US government officials with regard to some of the information they impart:
"...again gives no details", "...the reliability of this information is in
question," and the like. However, she herself goes on to cite US
intelligence people "speaking on condition of anonymity" to form the
backbone of certain arguments she fabricates, at least twice. Thus, using
her own logic, if people who don't give full details cannot be trusted,
then Ms. Tomchick's entire article shouldn't be trusted either.
Note that I am not faulting her for distrusting government officials who
don't fully disclose important details (any sane citizen should distrust
them in that situation, irregardless of political stripe), but if her
readers are to trust her reporting, information, and conclusions, she
should avoid emulating those whom she despises.
RE: "Where Is The Resistance?"
I agree; if "many, many people believe that to be the case" (GMO genetic
engineering research is bad), then WHERE ARE THEY? The fact that no deaths
have resulted from humans consuming GMO's, or that this research could
provide much hope for the world's starving millions, is seemingly lost on
the majority of protesters who allow alternative rock bands to do their
thinking for them. (And we all know that musicians are so
well-trained in hard science public policy issues...)
Grow up, Geov Parrish. Your "freakin casual and polite" peers who believe
just as strongly as you do have realized that, for the most part, radical,
violent, and/or criminal action, no matter how well-intentioned, does more
harm to society than any good that might come of it. They have already
conducted personal analyses and concluded that these issues, while
important, are not worth jeopardizing their family's stability and future.
Reasoned, balanced approaches to addressing their concerns may not be as
sexy as getting arrested for arson (and thus not good enough for ETS!
fanatics), but in the long run most people have realized that they are the
best means of gradual, effective change in a civilized society.
Lastly, any reference to the efforts of the 9/11 terrorists as "worthy" is
despicable. You try to divorce their dedication from their goal ("not the
mass murder part"), but the crime against humanity is too great, in my
opinion, to refer to any part of their actions as a laudable example for
future activists. Choose better role models; to use those hate-filled men
as exemplary "activists" because of their organizational abilities is to
spit in the faces of the families of thousands of American and
international citizens who died by their evil efforts.
RE: "Afghanistan's Loya Jirga"
If the US completely left the country, ETS! would complain; that the US is
there trying to help (attempting to make the best of a horribly
disorganized situation) still gives ETS! reason to complain. I sense a
theme here...
I understand the desire to rush into the post-Taliban Afghanistan and
radically set up full, western-style democracy, but it's just not feasible
yet. There are literally dozens of intricate facets to be considered in
such nation-building affairs, none of them served by rash absolutism that
disregards indigenous culture and history.
The best democracies emerged after long periods of gradually-increased and
revised organization, not vague anarchy which keeps the starving unfed and
the weak oppressed. If those periods of structure-building include strong,
central authorities in the early stages, at least there is stability for
the populace while they incrementally revise their government towards truer
democracy. Conversely, long periods of civil unrest and no government
lowers health standards, increases disease and starvation, and results in
lives without hope (despite the mythical prosperity anarchy promises).
If the only viable government the US and the rest of the world can assist
Afghanistan in forging right now is less than perfect, at least it will be
better than the war, anarchy, and oppressive theocracy that preceded it. It
will be something that can be changed and revised as time goes on with an
organized process, rather than leaving the country to despots and warlords
(as when the European monarchies left African shores). Something is
better than nothing in this instance. The war-torn people of Afghanistan
deserve no less.
--John J. Dougherty, via e-mail
MT replies: Regarding my article on Jose Padilla, I cite conflicting
information provided by different government sources--not to bolster my
own argument, as Mr. Dougherty claims, but to show the unreliability of
government sources. This supports my argument that any evidence against
Jose Padilla should be produced in a civilian court of law, where it can be
examined and held to high standards. Terrorists have been tried in our
civilian courts without threatening our national security. There's no
excuse not to do it now.
Regarding the Loya Jirga and democracy in Afghanistan: you can't seriously
support the assault, arrest, and murder of Loya Jirga delegates as an
incremental change towards democracy. At least twice during the assembly,
delegates had reached the stage where they were about to take a peaceful,
orderly vote on the composition of a new, democratic assembly to govern
Afghanistan; at both times the appointed head of the assembly stepped in,
took over the proceedings, and stopped the vote. The majority of Afghans
(regardless of tribal affiliation or cultural background) who had great
hope for change, who watched and listened to the Loya Jirga proceedings,
who packed up and moved out of Pakistani refugee camps to return home, who
flocked into Kabul to be a part of an exercise in democracy, had their
hopes dashed by the actions of warlords who hijacked the assembly and by
Hamid Karzai, who welcomed war criminals into his government. Many of the
folks who would have backed a democratic legislature are now back in the
provinces, joining up with local militias out of necessity or filling
people's ears full of hate against the US-controlled Karzai government.
That's not stability; it's insanity.
Meanwhile, the only "secure" place in Afghanistan is Kabul (and only if
you're not a government minister). People are starving in the provinces
because of a strike by truckers who are tired of having their cargo looted
by militias and bandits. Aid workers are being assaulted and raped. Doctors
are being murdered. Women still have to wear the burkha. And refugees are
returning home to no housing, no food, no clean water, no jobs, and, yes,
no government to speak of. Democracy can't do any worse than that.
G.P. replies, too: And, on Afghanistan, let's not forget that it's
not the United State's responsibility to intervene in Afghanistan -- let
alone determine its government and derail efforts for real democracy. And
I'm talking about 1979 on, not just post-9/11. Were the Taliban a menace?
Yes. Does it follow that the US, alone among the world's countries, has the
right to unilaterally overthrow them and install a puppet regime?
Based on the catastrophe of our policies there over the last two decades,
the US is perhaps the least-suited country in the world for the role.
Regarding resistance: I suggested direct action as a missing component
among the full spectrum of efforts for change that we need, including the
types the writer lists. And as for acknowledging the perpetrators of 9/11
as human beings who were a mixture of good and (very) bad traits: It's no
worse than what we do every day with our own elected officials -- who have
more blood on their hands, in more places around the globe, than any
Al-Qaeda fanatic has ever dreamed of. The point isn't that "war criminals
are human, too"; it's that only by recognizing their very real mixture of
traits can we understand how they're created and how to forestall them.
And, in this case, we're not going to dissuade people like Ashcroft et al.
without at least some people displaying some of the same single-minded
fanaticism our culture so often celebrates in other venues -- fanaticism
not in service of imposing one's will on others, but of preventing most of
the rest of humanity, and countless other species, from being judged just
as disposable as our Al-Qaeda friends considered Manhattan office
workers.
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